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Discrepancies in the AV?

26 July 2013

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Why are there discrepancies between the text of the Authorised Version which I read at home, published by Collins under licence from the Lord Advocate, and the text that I read from the lectern at evensong in my London parish church, published by Cambridge University Press? For example, whereas the Collins text has Moses entering the Tabernacle, the CUP text has him entering the tent of the meeting. In a passage about Cain, the Collins Bible refers to a "vagabond", but the CUP refers to a "wanderer". I assume there was no difference in the texts first issued in England or Scotland. Who made the small emendations, why, and when? The Collins text seems more archaic and, therefore, probably closer to the original.

A quick reference to Exodus 33 and Genesis 4 suggests that the questioner's church uses the Revised Version of 1881 for public reading. The revisers changed as few words as possible. They changed "tabernacle" to "tent" because in their day most people did not know "tabernacle" meant that. That is even more widely true now; Collins dictionary does not even include "tent" as one of the meanings.

The questioner writes about "the original". If that means the Hebrew in which the Old Testament was written, then the questioner thinks that it has to be translated into archaic English. But why stop at the 17th century? Perhaps we should all read the OT in Anglo-Saxon.

Maybe, by "original" the questioner means the Authorised Version or one of its predecessors, such as the Great Bible of 1539. A great deal of scholarship has developed during the four centuries since the publication of the AV in 1611. We now have, as a result, better and more intelligible translations of the Hebrew text. For use at home, he or she might try translations such as the Anglicised New Revised Standard Version, or the Revised English Bible, both published in 1989.

(The Revd) Jeremy Craddock
Hartford, Huntingdon

I suspect that the CUP Bible is in fact the Revised Version, which was a conservative revision of the Authorised Version, based on better underlying Greek and Hebrew texts.

The front matter of the copy of the RV that I have reads: "Trans-lated out of the original tongues: being the version set forth A.D. 1611 compared with the most ancient authorities and revised" (my emphasis).

The differences that he notes are apparent in my copies of the RV and AV.

(The Revd) James Richards
Bowness-on-Windermere, Cumbria

Your questions

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